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salja Wachi · Jun 13, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

what i am saying is that if you ban "we tod ID" then idiot sevant shoudl be banned as well but it has not been.

that is a fact not implication

Diplo · Jun 13, 2005, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Rasp

Your point is no more 'right' than Caca-Cola. I've seen alot of children use 'retarted' in ways which it would not be 'mentally handicapped'.

Even when they spell it phonetically to mock the way a handicapped person would say the word?

chpmmttn · Jun 13, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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Originally Posted by Caco-Cola

Great!

The saying 'retarded' no longer means mentally challenged either.

It means something that someone dislikes and is a way to portray it.

Such as 'man that show was retarded, the plot line was stupid and the character acting horrible.'

Now, we all know that the show cannot be mentally challenged.

Thus proving my point of how retarded has changed in the vernacular.

Thus the name should be unbanned.

The name "we todd id" mocks the slurred speech of people with mental retardation. There is no way to get around that it is meant to be offensive to these people.

Even if it was not meant that way by the person choosing the name (it is an old joke after all and maybe they didn't understand it) it can easily be seen as being offensive, regardless of what meaning the person meant for it.

If I decide to use the name Gay Basher, would that be ok? He's a happy character and he likes to bash things. So it's perfectly fine, right?

Nim · Jun 13, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

So if he named himself just plain "Retarded" everyone would say there is nothing wrong with that?

Caco-Cola · Jun 13, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Even when they spell it phonetically to mock the way a handicapped person would say the word?

You people are reading way too much into this.

Plus I actualy know a mentally challenged person. He's pretty cool, he ate lunch with me and my friends from time to time at school.

And he didn't say 'retarded' like we todd id, he said retarded like anyone else.

And he even used the name to show dissapproval of something.

Hmmm!

CHP: Sure.

chpmmttn · Jun 13, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Nim

From the EULA...
Eligibility. Accounts are available only to adult individuals 18 years of age or older

I believe that refers to an account for ordering expansions online. Regardless the game is rated Teen, even if they have to play on an account set up by their parents.

Rasp · Jun 13, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by chpmmttn

The name "we todd id" mocks the slurred speech of people with mental retardation. There is no way to get around that it is meant to be offensive to these people.

Even if it was not meant that way by the person choosing the name (it is an old joke after all and maybe they didn't understand it) it can easily be seen as being offensive, regardless of what meaning the person meant for it.

If I decide to use the name Gay Basher, would that be ok? He's a happy character and he likes to bash things. So it's perfectly fine, right?

So it's ok for Idiot Savants to roam free with an offensive name?

As you said yourself, 'it can easily be seen as being offensive, regardless of what meaning the person meant for it'.

There's so many different names that could be used, and could be offensive to someone and not offensive to another. Just because it isn't offensive to you, because it's 'socially accepted' where you live, doesn't mean the same to everyone across the globe. I know for sure, if one my kids was an 'Idiot Savant' or mentally handicapped, I would not want see a guild with a name like that.

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Originally Posted by chpmmttn

then go complain about it. i'm sure you could get them banned.

I'm not here to get anyone banned. Just to prove how some of the people on these forums have double standards. It's stupid to say one name that's offensive should be banned, and another name that's equally offensive should not be banned.

An example from your example. It'd be ok to ban 'Homosexual Basher' for obvious reasons, but 'Gay Basher' should not be banned, because 'gay' is socially accepted as multiple definitions?

chpmmttn · Jun 13, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Nim

So if he named himself just plain "Retarded" everyone would say there is nothing wrong with that?

I think there would be more leeway in what he meant by it, but most likely if someone complained it would still be banned. It is, afterall, a pretty retarded choice for a name.

He would need a last name too.

chpmmttn · Jun 13, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Rasp

So it's ok for Idiot Savants to roam free with an offensive name?

As you said yourself, 'it can easily be seen as being offensive, regardless of what meaning the person meant for it'.

There's so many different names that could be used, and could be offensive to someone and not offensive to another. Just because it isn't offensive to you, because it's 'socially accepted' where you live, doesn't mean the same to everyone across the globe. I know for sure, if one my kids was an 'Idiot Savant' or mentally handicapped, I would not want see a guild with a name like that.

then go complain about it. i'm sure you could get them banned.

LoneDust · Jun 13, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Idiots Savants has two alpha tester, and a handful of fansite staff/contributors. There's no special connections between us and Arenanet.

Idiot Savants is not a malicious term. "We Tod Id" phonetically is a malicious term. The difference is obvious. The original poster made this thread for the sake of juvenile argument. Please get off the internet and grow up.

Algren Cole · Jun 13, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Rasp

An example from your example. It'd be ok to ban 'Homosexual Basher' for obvious reasons, but 'Gay Basher' should not be banned, because 'gay' is socially accepted as multiple definitions?

I don't think anyone has said that at all......

Caco-Cola · Jun 13, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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then go complain about it. i'm sure you could get them banned.

No, don't. Complaining to get others names banned for no reason other than it bursts your illusions of the world being a perfect place is pretty retarded.

Let Anet catch their own mistake.

Or if nothing else complain that they're not being just in their decisions and to ban iQ's guild name or un-ban We todd id.

But don't complain because of the names connotation. That's just being overly-sensitive and stupid.

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I don't think anyone has said that at all......

Algren you've been implying that this whole freakin time. That's been the basis of your arguements - that words change over time - so yes, someone has said that. You did. Not directly, but you've implied it in every one of your posts that defend the term 'idiot savant'.

Mordeth Lestalk · Jun 13, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

If they get just 1 actual Mentally Retarded person in their guild i think they are in the clear. "He just wanted everyone to be warned before he joined their group." says Idiot Savant #13.

Rasp · Jun 13, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by LoneDust

Idiots Savants has two alpha tester, and a handful of fansite staff. There's no special connections between us and Arenanet.

Idiot Savants is not a malicious term. "We Tod Id" phonetically is a malicious term. The difference is obvious. The original poster made this thread for the sake of juvenile argument. Please get off the internet and grow up.

Retarded or We Tod Id, both names would be banned either way. Idiot Savants should be no different.

I find it quite funny, your guild is "Idiot Savants" (we all know the definition by now), and your tag is iQ. You're not trying to be offensive though, it's just for laughs?

Granamyr · Jun 13, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Being offended is a state of mind you choose to adopt. For some reason, when people jump on this forum, they don their super-sensitive skin and toe the ANet line. How many of you truly care about any name someone else uses?

If someone is so put off by the name We Todd ID, they'd have to spend their whole time complaining to ANet because you see worse every time you enter a populated zone. Go to the Temple of Ages after the US loses to Korea....the racial slurs are rampant. It's probably the same way in Korea when we do the same to them. Personally, I don't care and I don't know anyone else that does. If someone did care, they wouldn't be playing Guild Wars because it's everywhere.

ANet is being selectively hyper-sensitive in name banning. If the players were as thin-skinned as ANet has been, then the game would be taken off the shelves. I could just as easily say I am offended by the in-game pentagrams and use of the word "damn" and "hell" within the game's script. Show me the person that is offended by We Todd Id and I'll show you an inconsistent hypocrite.

Caco-Cola · Jun 13, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Please get off the internet and grow up.

I re-direct this to whoever reported the name 'We todd id'.

Life's not fair, people aren't always nice. Grow up and leave the internet before you find something that completely blows your mind.

Diplo · Jun 13, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Rasp

It's stupid to say one name that's offensive should be banned, and another name that's equally offensive should not be banned.

The point is, though, that IF you actually are perceptive then you'll easily recognise that the two names are not equally offensive. Unfortunately it seems a grasp of the semantics of the English language and some modicum of sense is needed before that will happen...

Algren Cole · Jun 13, 2005, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Caco-Cola

No, don't. Complaining to get others names banned for no reason other than it bursts your illusions of the world being a perfect place is pretty retarded.

Let Anet catch their own mistake.

Or if nothing else complain that they're not being just in their decisions and to ban iQ's guild name or un-ban We todd id.

But don't complain because of the names connotation. That's just being overly-sensitive and stupid.

Algren you've been implying that this whole freakin time. That's been the basis of your arguements - that words change over time - so yes, someone has said that. You did. Not directly, but you've implied it in every one of your posts that defend the term 'idiot savant'.

that's because you people insist that you must take one stance or the other. I don't personally believe Idiot Savant should be banned...as it's a term used today to describe a person that excels in one thing and completely lacks any sort of knowledge in any other area. 'Gay Basher' is inherently malicious...the entire purpose of that name was to be offensive. The creator would have created the name with the sole intention of offending someone. The creators of Idiot Savants are merely saying "we excel at this one thing....everything else we are horrible at"...it wasn't inherently offensive.

chpmmttn · Jun 13, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Granamyr

I could just as easily say I am offended by the in-game pentagrams and use of the word "damn" and "hell" within the game's script.

as an aside, i ctrl+clicked on a damned cleric yesterday and proclaimed "I am attacking ----ed cleric."

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Show me the person that is offended by We Todd Id and I'll show you an inconsistent hypocrite.

or someone with a child with down syndrome?

Rasp · Jun 13, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Caco-Cola

I re-direct this to whoever reported the name 'We todd id'.

Life's not fair, people aren't always nice. Grow up and leave the internet before you find something that completely blows your mind.

Exactly. I really could care less if 'XXX's name is offensive, it's SO easy to avoid this person, if it really bothers you.

1) Change disctricts
2) Enter a zone
3) IGNORE IT.

If these people are so quick to 'taddle tell' on you in online game, I'd hate to be friends with them IRL.